Nancy Wilson’s been in the news a lot this year — jamming live with Chappell Roan on a badass cover of Heart’s hit song “Barracuda”; having beloved instruments stolen in Atlantic City; and, along with sister Ann, pulling Heart’s songs off Amazon Music to protest Jeff Bezo’s coziness with Donald Trump.

When El Presidente called the Wilsons “a pair of aging rockers desperate for relevance.” When he went douchy, they went classy, stating simply, “Truth doesn’t age, and neither does courage.”

‘Nuff said.

In this episode, Nancy speaks truth about the cocaine fueled, big hair era of the 80s; the hazards of choosing a band as your family business and dating your bandmates; and the realities of being a woman in the music business for 50 years.